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Are American tourists really all that rude?

Reading eemusings account of trying to teach English alongside some Americans, made me think back to the number of comments I’ve received from foreigners.

The main reaction I get is that they can’t believe is that I am an “American” who doesn’t act like what a stereotypical American acts like. In fact, instead of assuming I am “American”, they assume I am English from England.

I of course, correct them to say I am NORTH American but am actually Canadian.

I am not “American” because that means I’d be from the United States of America, and while some of them know the difference, they think the two countries are pretty much the same in terms of culture, and we get grouped into under the same “American” label which irks some Canadians, but I have a “meh” reaction to this unless they start saying things like: “Why the hell did you elect George Bush Jr. as your President?”

Anyway, once we were talking to a guy from France who was talking about how he went to a resort in the Caribbean, and it was absolutely perfect except for this massive group of loud, annoying Americans, or “Amerloques” as he called them.

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I asked out of curiousity what made them so annoying, and he listed 4 main factors:

  1. No idea how to turn down the volume in their voices when talking to each other
  2. Always seemed to be glued and yelling (talking normally for Americans) into some cellphone
  3. Being rude and loud to waiters / waitresses when they weren’t satisfied
  4. Not understanding that not everyone speaks English

I wasn’t quite convinced this is just an American trait, but it got me wondering if Americans are really THAT rude compared to other cultures.

Note: Not all Europeans, or French people think that about Americans. Please don’t think I’m stereotyping the other way as well.

I have also met my share of Europeans who have heard I live in Canada and in some parts of the U.S., and their eyes light up with a fervent, emphatic: “J’adore les Americans!


TALKING LOUDLY IS NOT A UNIQUELY AMERICAN TRAIT

This one is pretty annoying I must say, but it is not limited to Americans in the slightest!

When I was in Spain and Portugal, all they know is how to talk loudly to each other which is their “normal” volume.

In China, it was worse. Their normal volume is yelling at each other, and if they’re angry, it gets worse if you can believe it.

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Some schoolkids hamming it up for us in China

You know what culture is the quietest and most respectful out of all the tourists I have ever encountered? The Japanese.

They may be a huge group of 30, but they NEVER make noise.

They all speak softly, they gesture and point out things without being rude and abrasive, and it isn’t until they pass by like a school of polite fish that you realize they were even there.

This applies to every single tour group of Japanese folks I have ever encountered in my life. Even school children on a trip outside of their native Japan are polite by their age standards. They don’t try and climb poles, dance on them, or otherwise act like monkeys.

The quietest tour groups of all are the retired Japanese folks.

Let that be a lesson to you.

If you see a bunch of Asians, don’t always assume they’re Chinese (the majority of tour groups are, though), but if you see a group of Asians and then realize they are all whispering politely to each other and walking softly you can damn well be sure they’re Japanese.

WE NORTH AMERICANS ARE USED TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE

There’s a fine line between being rude and being firm in expecting a certain level of service.

However neither of the two work outside of North America, particularly in Europe and you certainly might have to resort to being rude at times.

Let me explain what I mean:

In upper North America (I am not including Mexico because it is technically North America but not included in the context when I say “North America”), we are spoiled to the max by customer service.

You think it’s perfectly normal that when you get a bad hotel room, you can go back down and request for another, and you’ll be accommodated if there are rooms available to switch into… right?

This is not the case in Europe. Sometimes, they don’t want to give you another room.

They don’t care, it’s not their job (they’re employees), they have plenty of tourists waiting to take your spot at that price, etc etc.

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Even worse, Europeans consider this “normal business behaviour”. They don’t even want to argue or change it, they just resignedly accept it (as they seem to do most things, like with the way their politicians are ruining their country and lives) and are pleasantly blown away when they visit upper North America as tourists and are treated so well.

Whatever it is, we upper North Americans are spoiled by what we consider BASIC customer service, and in Europe, it would be called “VIP treatment”.

The customer is always right in upper North America, but the customer is never right in Europe. In fact, the foreign customer should be scammed, taken advantage of and otherwise given the runaround because they’re foreigners and not likely to come back, much less to their business.

They cynically believe in one-shot customers in Europe, not in trying to have repeat customers for life who will spread a good word of mouth

In eemusings’ example about iced tea:

I hate to say it, but a lot of the Americans on the course (who made up the majority of the ‘Anglos’, or English-speaking volunteer teachers) were pretty stereotypically American.

The kind who give the US a bad name.

Some were lovely for the most part (as long as you avoided saying ANYTHING vaguely critical about the US) while others were of the brash, ‘do you have tea? is it fresh? oh, you don’t have iced tea? well, can I get a pot of tea and a glass of ice cubes so I can make my own iced tea rather than just GET SOMETHING THAT YOU ACTUALLY SERVE?‘ variety.

Read more here from eemusings.

THAT, is being universally rude, American or not.

You don’t need to be sarcastic to get your point across, and you certainly don’t need to do it in such an awful way.

A more polite way to do it would have been to ask for some brewed tea, and some ice on the side in a bowl with some sugar.

They would have gotten the hint, without having it rammed down their throats, and perhaps will even put it on the menu next time, finally understanding what “iced tea” means to tourists.

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However when you encounter bad service in Europe, you aren’t really being that demanding. At least, not in my opinion. You might seem rude to them for asking for a higher level of customer service, but we are simply used to a higher level of babying or customer service.

GLUED AND TALKING LOUDLY INTO THEIR CELLPHONES

This is not a uniquely American trait.

You see it more in the U.S. than Canada, and more in upper North America than elsewhere only because we have more money and most people (even CHILDREN!) can afford to have a cellphone (I don’t, and I’m considered a weirdo).

In Europe, they don’t all have iPhones, Blackberries and Samsungs, they are lucky if they just have a regular Nokia flip phone. As a result, they talk less on their phones because they don’t have them to begin with.

If they do have them, I have encountered plenty of Spaniards who were on their phones, talking like the other person is deaf, for a good half hour to an hour, with no regard for others’ private sound bubbles on the bus or train.

In China, they ALL HAD CELLPHONES. They were all texting on them, talking fairly loudly into them and otherwise playing with them to choose the most annoying ringtone possible.

They are ALL just as loud as Americans on their cellphones.

NOT EVERYONE SPEAKS ENGLISH OR YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE

This one is very true, that Americans seem to have a bad rap with not realizing that the whole world didn’t grow up learning English to be able to serve them.

… but by the same vein, it is also not something totally unique to Americans, because I was in the French metro the other day and a guy from Eastern Europe (that’s what the language sounded like), was talking in a steady stream of his language (I’m taking a stab at Hungarian) at the poor Frenchwoman.

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An entrance to one of the nicer Parisian metro stations

She gave him a blank stare, and rolled her eyes as if to say:

“We’re in France. I speak French. A bit of English, and maybe a third language if I happened to study it.

Hungarian? Not even close.”

If you want to visit a country, you should pick up a book with some basic phrases translated from your language to theirs so you can point to them in desperation if you are in need of help. Otherwise, don’t expect everyone to speak all the languages of the world.

Yes, it is true that more countries make an effort to speak English, particularly in the hospitality industry to serve tourists but that’s because English is the MAIN language among foreigners.

If you get a group of Germans, French, Swedes, Chinese, Japanese and South Africans together, they’re all going to speak in English with varying levels of proficiency.

Even among Chinese people who don’t speak each others’ native languages, I noticed in Macau that they switched to English, not to Mandarin (official language) or Cantonese (other major language).

That said, Americans on the whole do tend to be a little ignorant (JUST A LITTLE!) from my observation in going around asking people: Do you speak English?

I remember once a German guy saying back to them rather meanly: Do you speak German?, to underscore rather subtly how entitled their question seemed to him.

The worst is not that we ask if people speak English, it is more that if they DON’T speak English, some of us proceed to talk louder, as if they are deaf, rather than unable to speak English.

I’m not deaf, I just don’t speak English“, was something I once heard from a rather frustrated shopkeeper in his native language.

IN THE END, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WERE RAISED

It has (almost) nothing to do with what country you are from, Canada, U.S., China, France, England, and everything to do with your manners and awareness of those around you in public spaces.


If you were raised to be rude and loud, you’re going to be loud and rude for your entire life unless someone properly shames you into behaving.

If you were raised to talk softly, you are going to find other lesser-behaved people extremely annoying.

The only difference between any country is in cultural expectations because as I mentioned above, Canadians and Americans will expect a slightly higher level of customer service as the “standard”, and may be disappointed to not receive such service in Europe without a fight.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? 


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  1. J
    Jason

    I work in tourism in Europe and routinly plan holidays for North American Visitors to Europe. While it’s true to say both Candians and Americans expect a higher level of service, I generally find Candians less demanding, bmore undestanding of cultures outside North American and don’t need the same level of “hand holding” as Americans. I’ve had visitors calling me night and day stressing over the tiniest detail of what is frankly, common sense and they haven’t paid nearly enough money for the one on one attention they expect. Complainingv about things such as Europe not displaying US dollars on their prices or that their budget hotel doesn’t have aircon in the middle of winter. They generally fail to see the world doesn’t revolve around them and that we really don’t care if theyre 5th generation Italian. That said they spend a lot of money in Europe and we’re happy to take it!!!

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    1. sherry@savespendsplurge.com

      Interesting… I think everyone is just used to a lot of high level customer service for a low amount of money as it is quite competitive in the U.S.

      We are not native Canadians (my partner and I) which is why we’re quite blasé about the whole thing. “That’s just the way it is in France”, I am often told.

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  2. R
    RoyalFamily Minsu

    I’m Canadian and Americans are the most rudest people I’ve ever met in my life! Super rude and ignorant people who have 0 respect for anyone and they are very loud and love to get into fights!

    I’m a gamer and I played the american version of a game (Onigiri Online US) and holy shit I am not used to the way they communicate because everything they said is extremely rude! I tried my best to keep quiet…but they randomly started to socialize with me I got scared because I didn’t know how to respond as I suck at talking (and got a mental disability that makes it hard to speak)..and they thought I was being rude..(AHUHDUHSUDHUS!!)) because I wasn’t talking loudly?!?!?!? or talking at all?!?!? did it ever cross there mind that I didn’t wanna speak?! or that I’m busy?!?!?!

    I openly told a group of players I’m gay and they all made fun of me (mind you I thought they where my friends) and every-time I loged onto the game they made fun of LGBT people to the point of making me wanna suicide.

    also about my mental disability they made fun of that as well making me with that I was never born!! God they were so rude about it.

    So in all that I lost friends and never ended up making new ones and I switched to the Japanese server because at least they are nice in Japan and not rude!(like Americans)

    NEVER EVER PLAY A GAME CALLED ONIGIRI ONLINE US!! YOU WILL GET BULLIED IF YOUR LGBT AND OR HAVE A MENTAL DISABILITY! PLAY THE JAPANESE VERSION ONLY BECAUSE I AM WORRIED FOR PLAYERS OF THIS GAME WHO HAVE GOTTEN THE SAME TREATMENT I DID! STAY AWAY FROM AMERICANS!!

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    1. sherry@savespendsplurge.com

      Oh dear. I am sorry to hear you have been so terribly mistreated. Not all Americans are like this though, but remember that you have to do what you feel is best. I find that up north it is more accepting than south in general, and I know plenty of Americans who would never in a million years make fun of you for anything.

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  3. G
    Giulia

    Hello, I’m from Italy and I like this article, very smart.
    I often read online that people consider us Italians to be rude, loud and stuff. As you’ve written it all depends the way you were raised by your parents.
    I think most foreigners ignore the Italian tourists well-mannered like me (I’m not loud, arrogant, rude, I’m pretty reserved and quiet) and focus their attention to those very rude Italian I have the misfortune to meet either.
    When I meet a rude American tourist I don’t generalize the entire American people, the rude one is just this person. Same goes for other tourists.

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    1. save. spend. splurge.

      Thank you! I can agree with that for all cultures.

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    2. A
      Angeica

      In my opinion we Americans get singles out for being loud but its WAY TO normal for us and we get a little cocky as I have heard foreigners say but I really do t see that

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  4. E
    Edwin

    I have another take on this. I am an American expat having lived half my life in various east Asian countries. I currently live in a remote but touristy part of a 3rd world country. I will relate My experience as to my present place of residence.
    Yes. I have known some rude and stupid Americans here and am currently dealing with one of the worst examples. But for the most part Americans here are living good and exemplary lives and several have received public recognition for their contributions to the local community. But sadly not one Canadian here has been able hold up to this reputation we have. Here are just a few examples.
    The first Canadian I became acquainted with was actually a very likeable guy and we became friendly with each other. His one BIG flaw was that he always had a stash of marijuana or some kind of bi-product. This is quite serious in this country which get you life or get you executed! When my American friends and I would warn him He always laughed at American “stupidity and arrogance” about marijuana and brag about how enlightened Canadians were highly skilled at smuggling marijuana into the US and by extension to this nation we’re living in. He had some other behavior that would downright embarrass other Canadians but this problem of disregarding locals laws about marijuana, whether he agreed with it or not, finally brought him down in the end despite his arrogance that Canadians were on a mission to educate the world about weed. He ended up arrested and paid a king ‘s ransom to corrupt officials to get off the hook to the financial ruin of his elderly parents.
    Another example was a middle aged Canadian man and his elderly parents came into the immigration office to renew their visas. When told they would have to go back outside to get a photo and photocopies of their passports (a no brainer) they began to loudly berate the local staff for their failure at accommodating them because “we Bring money to your country, you know! It would seem that you people could be a bit nicer since you’re so poor!”. They were loud and demeaning and although I’m not Canadian I cringed with embarrassment at being associated with them. (Like It or not, Americans and Canadians are associated in people’s minds). This family is well-known in the community for being rude, arrogant and berating the locals for their poverty and laziness.
    The next example is my best friend who is also Canadian. One strange thing is that he dislikes/hates his Canadian compatriots and is quite verbal in saying so and prefers only Americans as friends. I love the guy but his personality is to pretend he’s a cranky old man as part of his humor. Unfortunately this type of humor surpasses comprehension of the locals. A few examples is at a restaurant he gives his order to the waitress and with a mean snarl in his face and in a loud shout at the waitress he’ll say, “Now F*** Off, Slut!” or when not getting the service he wants he’ll demean them for being monkeys! A few times at restaurants he’ll drink a bit too much and run around to all the locals also patronizing the place, drop to his knees, bow down at their feet and thank them for allowing him to leave Canada which he hates and live in their “Monkey infested Banana Republic”.
    The last example was one Canadian who was a new arrival who thought he knew everything about this country and would take No advice from expats who’ve been here for a while. He made a video of his New life in this country and paid a small village to allow him to decorate that village with thousands of Canadian flags then video tape all the villagers singing Oh Canada! He distributed that video to anyone who could pass it too. He was laughed at all the way back to Canada.
    I could give you other examples but suffice it to say that you Canadians Are Not the perfect examples you like to claim you are. In fact the tide turns the other way and I have seen instances in which Americans have been embarrassed and ashamed of our Canadian bothers.

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    1. save. spend. splurge.

      Never meant to say Canadians are perfect, but Americans have a bad rap which is why the title and focus of the post was on Americans.

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  5. J
    Judge Dredd

    I Went To England And Europeans English,Irish,French,Germans,Greeks Rude And Cheap.You Will Be Shock,And Also Some Latin Countries Shouting Racist Slurs,Beer All Over The Place.No Clothes.Indians Are Demanding And Push Without Commonsense.And Forget About Chinese I Won’t Even Go There.Talk Loud,Table Manners.I Found It Something Russians,Japanese,Israeli,Mexicans,Iranians,Some Americans One Of The Politest People Ever Meet.Find For Out For Yourself.Education Vs Manners.I Prefer Manners.Test Someone How They Talk,Dress,Eat,Listen,And Do Things At Medium Pace.Take Airflight And See.And Respect American Again.

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    1. save. spend. splurge.

      Every culture has its own pros and cons. Overall, I have found Americans to be the friendliest and most outgoing folks I’ve met in a long time.

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  6. H
    Han

    Other factors come into play such as theocation of where you see these U.S tourists. For an example a 5 star hotel in an English speaking country may attract more tourists from the U.S. And they will need to have money to stay in a 5 star hotel. Therefore you are inclined to experience higher volumes of tourists who are accustomed to western hospitality and service. My experience with u.s tourists is that they are more demanding; which is what they are used to. They may seem more rude this way (perception of them plays a big part of it, if you are used to serving this type of guest you may not think they are rude). I have had experience with Indian tourists who stay in 5 star hotels. They can come across rude and demanding also. However if this is what they are accustomed to from wherever they are from it may not be rude in their culture. Different cultures plays a big role, both the tourist and the other person may have completely opposite cultures and backgrounds. it would seem that the greater the difference in culture, the more noticeable one is towards the other persons attitude. depending on how much experience people have had with other cultures and how they understand them.

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    1. save. spend. splurge.

      Agreed completely. They are used to getting what they want and ask for.

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  7. I
    Isling

    This is precisely the sort of dribble that makes us, I would not say dislike, but to be disinclined to find north americans at all sophisticated. The strange psychology that lets them to write an article like this.

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    1. save. spend. splurge.

      And I am sure you’re perfect?

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  8. F
    Faye Green

    Most definitely, YES! It is rare to see a tourist nice and polite.
    Everyone should remember treat others how you want to be treated. People think the world owes them…. Owes them what?
    To all the obnoxious, rude, prejudice, racist, arrogant, assholes of the World. I hope karma throws rotten tomatoes at you.

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  9. s
    samuel

    its a shame im sure americans can be better tourists
    with learning a bit more respect of other cultures.

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    1. save. spend. splurge.

      Probably, but not all Americans are like that. I’ve met plenty who are fantastic.

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  10. d
    dunny

    Interesting discussion.

    I spent two months in Europe this fall (England, Germany, France, and Spain, not my first visit to any of them), and found very good helpful service everywhere. With a smile and a few words of the local language, people respond wonderfully. IN Europe (and other places), you have to remember to greet everyone (toll booth operator, bus driver, waiter, store clerk) as though you were entering their home. Hello, good-bye, thank you are required for every encounter. This ritual is important and after adapting to it, you can see the advantages to the formality.

    There is a difference from Canada and US in that they do not change everything for the customer. Personally, I like this because I think we have too much choice. I like the discipline of eating what they have without changes, when the restaurant is open, having to shop when the store is open, not having absolutely any food and drink available anywhere anytime. I enjoy everything more when there is some limitations and discrimination to the pleasures.

    I also like adapting myself to a different culture, living like they do as much as I can, to learn and enjoy.

    The other thing I like to do is research by thinking, asking, reading, etc. why there is a cultural difference. Sometimes (nearly always) the motivation and history behind these differences is fascinating and far from random.

    I think the reference to Canadians having a different accent is to the key words that differentiate us — about, roof, for instance, give Americans away and vice versa every time.

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  11. Sandra

    Americans tourists who I have spoken with in my native Dublin have come in a variety of volumes. The loud ones are just easier to notice…
    I never encountered any rudeness from them either. Words I would use to describe American tourists I’ve met here include honest, direct and easy-going.
    I used to walk to work past the Guinness Brewery, and you’d frequently get tourists from all over asking you to take a group picture for them.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      OH yeah that’s definitely a cultural thing — to be direct and honest. Americans get to the point, no beating around the bush for them. Canadians are a bit more passive-aggressive.

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  12. S
    Sally

    I think the one place where I felt like the loud, obnoxious American was in Paris. I’ve travelled all over Latin and Central America and the Middle East, meaning I spoke the languages there, but I only took two semesters of French and it never really stuck. So I found myself getting frustrated at not being able to communicate and feeling like an idiot American, which I think in turn caused me to act somewhat more entitled than I ever normally would. I swore I would never travel somewhere again where I don’t know at least some basic phrases or study them before I get there.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      Even learning basic phrases is hard if you don’t get the tone/accent right. Sometimes I talk in French and BF has to ask me to repeat in English because he didn’t get it.

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  13. Michelle

    I read this late last night, then I thought about my answer for awhile. I think there are several things happening that affect how people perceive American tourists.

    1.) Politics-I am an EXCELLENT traveler. I am self-aware and honestly, I travel a lot, and read up on the country that I’m going to. I try to make sure I have a basic understanding of the country’s social norms, politics, and food. Despite this I have been mocked because of my American Accent in England (it was the Bush year’s but I didn’t vote for him and last time I checked there are 300 million Americans-we’re all different!) I was yelled at, and treated horribly. It was shocking because the basic assumption people should make when a foreign tourist is IN their country is that that individual is trying at least on a basic level to expand their mind/their world/their world view. I have had more negative experiences in England even after the Bush years. Ironically, I have a lot of English friends who I think believe me to be self-aware and they know I have an awareness of the world. Or else we probably wouldn’t be friends.
    2.) People’s own personal behavior-Everyone has been raised differently. Some people are more aggressive/polite/etc. Based on how they were raised and their personalities.
    3.) American Social Norms-A wilting flower will have a hard time getting their needs taken care of in the U.S. when there is a problem. Even shy people have an awareness of when it’s time to “pipe up” and be heard.
    4.) American Nationalism-Let’s face it-Americans love the U.S. despite its many flaws. This love is shown in playing the national anthem at every sporting event with hand on heart, flags flying outside homes, the amount we talk about our country and sorry Putin just like the Russians we do think we’re exceptional-because that’s part of our national lexicon
    5.) Cultural Mix-We have generations of people mixing from every country in the world. But I find that I am a lot more at ease traveling to countries such as most of South America, I imagine I would really like Ireland, most of Africa, and I love Europe. Basically, countries that reflect the cultural mix of America. I feel a lot more at ease in those countries.
    6.) Volume-We are a loud people. There is no point in pretending otherwise. We are loud because of the cultural mixture, because being in a country with such a big population you have to “pipe up in order to be heard!” It would be nice if some travelers were more aware of their volume when traveling but at least most of these people are gaining more of a world view.
    7.) Lack of a World View…and the U.S.’s place in the world-If you haven’t really traveled and it’s your first trip you have no idea of how your country is perceived by other people. This problem is made worse because we have such a high immigrant population and mixture that we thing we’re perceived in a positive light because people keep moving here.
    8.) People Dislike tourists/Americans-because of this dislike people will look for all that we do wrong…even when we’re trying.
    9.) Lack of Foreign Language skills-I have studied two foreign languages and work with an International clientele. There is nothing harder than being a well educated adult and then being put in the position of communicating on the level of a confused 4 year old. It is a very humbling experience and it teaches compassion towards those people who are communicating in English as a Second Language. We don’t learn other languages because the business language of the world is English AND when people immigrate to the U.S. (and any other country) by the 2nd or 3rd generation they are speaking English.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      I LOVE that you took the time to think about an answer before diving into a comment.

      You know what, I get annoyed when people talk politics because it isn’t like their country is any better. No country is perfect, and American politics are always front and center, which is why they get scrutinized the most.

      American social norms — you have this one right. I find English people less likely to be direct and blunt, whereas Americans and Canadians to some extent, are “come right out and say it” folks.

      You bring up all great points, although with the last point, I think it wouldn’t hurt us to learn a second language or at least be tolerant of the difficulties of learning a second language.

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      1. Michelle

        I agree!! That’s why I learned French and Spanish 🙂

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        1. save. spend. splurge.

          Spanish is on my list to learn. That or Portuguese, it’s so beautiful to listen to.

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  14. PK

    Oh, you didn’t understand me when I said it the first time? Let me say it again… still in English… and mouth the words slowly, annoyingly, and loudly. Surely when you see the exaggerated way my lips are moving you’ll suddenly understand!

    (I don’t think American are the worst though – ‘we’ weren’t recently adding graffiti to Egyptian Temples)

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      Touche!

      I would agree that defacing national monuments makes me sick.. actually, any kind of graffiti or vandalism where it shouldn’t be.

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  15. J
    Jaime Lila Donovan

    I’ve experienced rudeness and kindness in many places. My mom’s Russian, my dad’s Costa Rican, and my stepfather is American.

    My bf is American-German, his mom is American and his father is from Berlin. We’re a very uh diverse family, lol.

    My family and I have traveled the world and if you travel enough you will encounter all sorts of people.

    When I was in Russia, in Moscow I kept ordering Pepsi with ice, apparently they don’t put ice on drinks unless you ask them to.

    I did it in the most polite way possible of course and because the drinks are smaller overseas, I ended up getting 6 glasses of Pepsi. lol.

    I think travelling is an education in itself. It opens up your world. I think sometimes traveling can even be better than learning in a classroom. 😀

    When I was a kid and we had just moved to the U.S. (I’m a naturalized American citizen) the kids in my grade would ask me “What are you?”

    I used to find this question rude, over time I realized they didn’t mean to be rude especially when I saw the curiosity in their eyes and some people don’t know any other delicate way of putting it.

    One time I met this lady who thought I was stupid just because I wasn’t born in the U.S., she was very condescending. Just because someone wasn’t born in the U.S. doesn’t make them stupid.

    Then I experienced the same thing in Russia when this lady was just condescending because I had forgotten a lot of Russian.

    So I’ve had both. Also being part of the Latin community, I’ve experienced rudeness from Latins as well.

    Not only when I was by myself, but one time my bf and I went to a Mexican restaurant in the U.S. and honestly this one server wasn’t very nice to my bf.

    We’ve had some interesting reactions because we’re an interracial couple.

    I have lived long enough to experience a lot so believe me Americans don’t have the first prize on rudeness.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      Talk about mixed heritage! How wonderful.

      I kind of like that they don’t put ice in drinks, I keep thinking of people washing their hands in that ice (don’t ask me how I know), before putting it in a drink.

      What irks me the most is when people assume you’re dumb just because you can’t speak their language perfectly, although this one I find is a uniquely American trait only because French people are dying with gratitude when I speak in French because it means they don’t have to try in English.

      Americans definitely don’t have 1st prize on rudeness, but they have a bad rap unfortunately, as they’re always in the media.

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      Angelicza

      😐

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    ArianaAuburn

    Spent the month in Greece being polite and as quiet as possible. The locals were confused. I guess they got used to loud, drunk Americans spending freely in Athens.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      Wow, you certainly showed them another side 😀

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    CorianneM

    BTW, I agree with you on the Asian tour groups. There are two ways to distinguish them: (1) how loud/quiet they are; (2) the style of clothes they wear.

    For the second, you have to have had some experience in their fashion styles, but I think a categorisation is this: a) Chinese: fancy brands (whether fake or not), a bit garish fashion style, lots of very bright colour, not always matching; b) Koreans: bright, very stylish, lots of new technology gadgets; c) Japanese: even in clothing, in general they can be a bit more subdued and uniform (unless they dress up in harajuku style of course ;), but Japanese people don’t dress like that every single day!).
    First: Chinese are very very loud; Japanese are the quietest people I’ve ever met; Koreans are kind of in between. Example, the amount they talk in the metro in these respective countries. In China, you can overhear a minimum of five conversations (whether by telephone or in-person) in the metro; in Korea (Seoul), people talked in the metro, but not too loudly – not in an annoying way; in Japan, almost no one talked! they are all staring at their smartphones or reading books – only once did I catch two ladies talking on the train, and they were whispering so quietly you could hardly hear them over the noise the train was making!

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      The style of clothes really do signal to me (even here in multi-cultural Canada) who they are and where they’re from (generally).

      I usually just listen to them speak and then I can tell whether they’re Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc. Otherwise, sometimes Japanese women dress a bit eclectic and that confuses me into thinking they’re Chinese…

      Japanese folks are extremely quiet. It’s like they speak in a volume level below normal. In Toronto people are pretty quiet as well (generally speaking), I find that it is due to the fact that you cannot use your cellphone on the subway. It’s peaceful.

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    CorianneM

    As to the American stereotype/speaking English thing, I’ve seen more than once Americans speaking English and if the person they were talking to didn’t understand them, speaking LOUDER. As if that is going to help.
    Learning another language is very hard work. People who have never learned a second language usually have no comprehension how stressful it can be to try to converse in another language than your own. People from countries where the native language is English (America, Australia) and there is very little opportunity to experience other cultures with other languages fall into this category.
    I am European, Dutch actually, and because my country is so small, I spend a lot of holidays or excursions in other countries. I started learning English at 10, French at 12, German at 13. I forgot pretty much everything French (though I could probably order a croissant or something like that), but I can do simple conversations in German. On skiing holidays in Austria, I would be the only Dutch kid in a group of German kids and my dad taught me a few German words (my first German sentence at probably age 6-7 I believe is “I need to pee” to say to the teacher in case I had to go) to get around. Especially when I started German in high school I was less isolated from the group and could have actual conversations with the kids at the table at lunch time or on the skiing lift, which I thought was pretty cool at the time.
    But my level in those languages is still quite low and it is a bit stressful to speak them. Especially for people who have not had a lot of education, it is stressful or embarrassing to speak another language than their own. I don’t think it is right to expect everyone to speak good English, even if they are in the hospitality industry.
    An example, I was in a hotel in China with my parents and there was a problem with my parents’ room – the stuff of the previous occupant was still there, so the bell boy went to get the manager. She tried to explain in English what she was going to do, but her English was not so good and you could see she was stressed. I came from my room and joined them. I told the lady I could speak Chinese and she could use Chinese to explain it to me. You could really see a huge sense of relief coming over her face and her confidence coming back when she started to explain in Chinese that she had asked someone to get new keys for a new room already and that we just had to wait for a bit.

    Basically, my point is, in my experience the majority of people who don’t speak a 2nd language don’t realise how stressful speaking a 2nd language is, especially if your proficiency is not good enough, and how that can affect your confidence.

    If I don’t speak the local language, I don’t expect the locals to speak good English automatically (it would probably be near impossible to expect them to speak my native language 😉 ). And if there are problems or misunderstandings, I realise that I may be to blame because I couldn’t communicate clearly enough what I wanted. In those situations, I think it is better to just let it slide (or what you would call, keep our heads down).

    NB: I should note, Americans/Australians who *have* taken the trouble to learn a 2nd language, are usually more sensitive to these issues and don’t fall into this stereotype. It is amazing how much learning a new language can do for people’s outlook on life.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      I find I am confident enough in French but apprehensive because it is still not my natural language and I am not perfect in it by any means (effing verbs..)

      It’s the reason why I think everyone should try and learn a second language, although the benefits for working here if you know French are quite good to boot.

      LOVE your comment 😀

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  19. SP

    Yes I agree – a lot of this is not uniquely american. I find almost any large group of tourists annoying.

    I also think people feel more comfortable criticizing american politics to the citizens without actually making it into a conversation. This is probably because america causes a lot of news, of course.

    I’m always careful around people of other countries to ask a lot of questions and to limit criticism and judgements. I mean, what kind of reaction would one expect if they insult / criticize your home country within minutes of meeting you without first at least asking you what YOU think, as a citizen with likely more first hand knowledge? My philosophy is to ask a lot of questions and try to understand the perspective. As a “super power”, some people think america is a fair target (which may be true), but that doesn’t mean an individual american is a fair target!

    I agree our customer service tends to be superior, but sometimes in the cities it is not so great. The midwest is noticeably superior to me, compared to L.A.! I don’t think it is fake at all – there is very much a “make the customer happy” attitude at most places

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      Americans do make the news a lot, which is for good and for bad reasons, but on the whole I find the heart of the country to be in the right place.

      A lot of people think Canadians are just like Americans but quieter, but I find we do have subtle differences, it’s just that our pop culture is exactly the same.

      I’d also agree on WHERE you go for customer satisfaction, but on the whole it is far better even in the worst areas of America than it is in Europe at a low-budget hotel.

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    Sense

    We’re also known for being open and friendly and fun, though! 🙂 Most of the other Americans that I’ve met (read: they travel) have been really cool. It’s only when I come back to the US, to those that DON’T travel abroad, that I have issues with how Americans act.

    The Japanese are just as you describe. It was awesome being on the quiet trains there, save for the perv with the p0rnographic newspaper clearly savouring the pictures openly in the seat across from us.

    I have run across some pretty awful Aussies, though. 🙁 This one group in Vanuatu was drunk and kept flirting with and (appallingly) goosing the extremely patient and increasingly uncomfortable Vatu waitress. The Ni Vatu people are the friendliest on Earth, and will bend over totally backwards for you–there was no way she was ever going to say ANYTHING–so my friend and I had to eventually step in to save her by complaining to the management (who was also Aussie). We also left her a huge tip (even though they don’t do that there) and she ended up bringing us to her uncle’s local nakamah that night. Had a great time. Hopefully we gave Americans a good name that evening. 🙂

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      Americans ARE fun. They’re easy going, fun, live-your-life-with-gusto types, which appeals greatly to rather buttoned-up Europeans 🙂

      Eww… that Japanese perv is making me shudder now.

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  21. Tania

    Great points! The “rude american” is a stereotype, plain and simple. The US has cultural differences on what is rude and what isn’t even varies by region or from state to state. As someone who grew up and lives in Hawaii but traveled to the east coast and west coast for work and play including one month jaunts, our culture in Hawaii is quite different from NYC or the Bay Area. For example, in most of the US cities, it is expected people who stand on an escalator stand on the right to let people pass on the left. In Honolulu if you pass anyone on an escalator, they will think it very rude, pushy and impatient. They will assume you think you are so much more important than them and superior. In some areas of the US, if you see a Eurasian and inquire on their ethnicity, they will get offended and assume some prejudice or judgemental ulterior motive for asking. In Hawaii, it is a point of interest, “what are you?” is a way to learn more about you and usually a compliment as it means they think you are attractive or your children are very cute and are curious what type of mix you or they are. Even in Hawaii, many local Japanese are quiet (but not all, I have some loud Japanese friends!)and they don’t raise voices when having a friendly debate or telling a story but other ethnicities get more animated waving the arms all about and talking loud (but again, not all!). When I have a passionate discussion with my Puerto Rican/Hawaiian/Portuguese BF I sometimes feel like he’s yelling at me but to him he’s just talking and I’m being too sensitive (I’m Japanese).

    When I used to travel to Hong Kong I always felt like I was being yelled at but really they were just trying to help me (customer service). When the Italians used to come visit (I worked for an Italian company) they were not always the most polite and gracious to us or hotels/dining/limo service. In fact, there were many times I had to manage our relationships after they left because the impression they gave to our vendors and employees was a high maka maka attitude (I’m better than you and this is unacceptable) rather than a humble and down to earth approach when they were displeased. They made it very clear repeatedly to us that they felt no one could do things as well as they do in Italy.

    I agree with you and the person you asked about the English but again not all Americans. But, in general I would say we are one country that does not stress as much as other countries do to learn another language in our school system.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      Hawaiians are on the whole pretty relaxed, no? I find them to be laid back, island-cool types which is refreshing.

      I’ve never thought it to be rude to ask someone “what are you” but I am sensitive to NOT doing that because I know it bothers people. Still, some mixes are so pretty…

      I think social class is the last thing I didn’t mention. I find that the higher up in social class you go (actual blue bloods, not new bloods), they tend to be pretty quiet people, and their children are taught to be quiet and not loud as well.

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    Michelle's Finance Journal

    I’m American, but of Asian heritage. I went overseas and this drunk American guy was shouting racial slurs at my hubby and I while we were passing him by. I was fuming and ready to jump on him but my hubby calmed me down. My hubby approached the drunk loud American and respectfully but firmly talked to him. The guy seemed surprised that we spoke English(jerk!!!). The lady who was with him who wasn’t an American looked embarassed, but the guy had no shame and continued to harass everyone around him. Though he’s a “special” case, I can see why other people have bad perception of Americans.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      HOW RUDE. I mean, why would you assume someone doesn’t speak the language? I never assume that.

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    MelD

    This was amusing for me, a European! Obviously, you can never shove everyone into one pot, but there do seem to be typical types. The British have become very obnoxious abroad (usually drunk), the Germans are loud and always right, the French often grumble and can be snooty and so on. I find that Japanese tourists (we have a lot of them in Switzerland!) can be very giggly – and always admire my dog! Chinese and Koreans are also no problem. Sadly, it is true that Americans, Canadians and Australians are often seen in the same light in Europe and quite often, that light is unfavourable. I don’t think they are particularly loud or rude (Mediterraneans could take that label easily!), but there is something very brash that makes them quickly identifiable, as if they took up more room than the rest of us, and it is unfortunate that the twang of their various kinds of English catches the ear worse than British English… I think the general attitude is that they embarrass us Europeans somehow and we feel a certain pity (especially for Americans, who blow their freedom, liberty etc. trumpets and yet are so obviously tied down by their politics!!). The excitement because something is sooo old, which for us is also amazing but normal, or the assumption that we have no idea how wonderful their country is (it has its limits and we usually know it pretty well from our own travels), i.e. a certain amount of ignorance which goes hand in hand with rarely speaking anything but English! It’s not really easy to pinpoint. I think we often find them superficial, too (I have a lot of acquaintances and old schoolmates of those nationalities! i.e. rather than what I would term “friends”!).
    As for customer service, it’s a bit of a myth – our experience in the US is that at a superficial level there is service but it doesn’t actually happen or exist in many cases!! My husband’s favourite story is of a business trip to Las Vegas, where they were bombarded by ads for Cirque du Soleil everywhere; although he’d already seen them in Europe, eventually after a few days, he thought ok, why not, and asked for tickets, only to be told the show was on holiday for 2 weeks… he also never got the promised laundry or shoe services at hotels all over the US, despite all the Colgate smiles and assurances. It’s just all really fake. In New York, he and his brother tried to shop at high-end stores but found there was rarely much choice and in one case, the assistant in a shoe shop had to go to another store to buy shoelaces for some shoes they were interested in!!! They came away with a lot less than they’d hoped (they are both tall and expected to find more choice in the Big Apple…). My own experiences in the US support this, it seems pretty backward to me compared to what I know here.
    The Swiss, despite being a tiny landlocked nation, are great travellers to all parts of the world and from what I have seen, keep pretty quiet (though I have heard stories of them complaining – they do have high standards and generally travel high-end!).
    In case anyone is wondering, I have British, German and Swiss passports, live between Switzerland, France and England and have done so all my life!

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      The Brits I hear, have a penchant for beer which makes them rather rowdy. I saw that in Spain when they were all totally drunk at noon in the hot sun, screaming at each other.

      The French DO grumble a lot. I’d agree with that. It’s like a cultural thing to complain and criticize but worst of all, without taking action (which is not North American at all).

      I am curious — can you tell Americans apart from Canadians, Australians and so on? I know BF tells me that Australians and NZlanders are easy to pick out because their accents are very hard to understand.

      Hmm, I will say that it is true it depends on where you go in North America. Las Vegas and Los Angeles are too big of cities to care about you. Smaller cities bend over backwards, but my experience has been different in Europe. The smaller cities try and screw you which is why we stick to chains.

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        MelD

        @saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.: To be honest, I can usually only tell the difference between Americans/Canadians when the Canadians use key words that I know to differentiate the accent (or an obviously NY or southern state American, I can hear that!). I know to be cautious, tho’ and refer to North America rather than to assume someone is US when they’re Canadian!! But then I did grow up at a school with a high percentage of US students, Canadians I know more from adult contact/friends. As a mothertongue English speaker, it’s obvious to me that Australian/NZ are not North American, though I can’t always distinguish whether it’s an Aussie or NZ accent. Knowing South Africans, that’s also a clear accent (not always to other people, apparently). South Africans blend into Europe, but North American/Australasians look and dress similarly, I find, and are equally “obvious”.
        I enjoyed watching people’s faces this summer when my American friend (who dresses very American!) opened her mouth in Brittany and spoke perfect, accentless French 😉 They weren’t to know she is half Moroccan and grew up in French-speaking Switzerland!! LOL

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        1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

          REALLY! 🙂

          What words do we use that are different in Canada? I know we have a stronger accent out East in Nova Scotia, but I find most Ontarians and people in Canada other than Quebeckers have the same accent as Americans from the border, like Michigan or NY.

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    MatthewChat

    HEY, WADDYA TALKIN ABOUT! AMERICANS AINT LOUD, WE’RE JUST DEAF FROM LISTENING TO EACH OTHER. 🙂 Sure, discriminate against the handicapped 😉

    Actually, the last time I was in Canada, I got threatened and called names because a group of teenagers saw my New York license plate as I was driving by them. I avoided looking at them and hit the gas.

    There are good polite people and rude nasties everywhere, it’s just who we choose to remember.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      Oh nice save. 🙂

      why would they be mean to you if you’re from NY? That’s odd. It totally depends on who you come across.

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        matthewchat

        @saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.: It was during the depths of the Bush administration so they probably were steeped in all kinds of criticism about the war, and it looked like they were all posturing to impress each other. It was teenage boys on a small town streetcorner on saturday night, drinking beer, and making trouble. Maybe the Yankees beat the Toronto Blue Jays that day *shrug* 🙂

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          OHH.. Yeah, that makes more sense. Still, it isn’t your fault unless you voted for him 🙂

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    Heather H

    I have traveled over a lot of Europe as well as a few Mexican and Caribbean resorts. While I do sometimes see my fellow Americans being rude or loud or annoying that has mostly been at the resorts where alcohol is flowing, at the same time I have seen some pretty obnoxious Europeans in the same places.

    I cannot recall seeing such behavior much in Europe itself. My husband and I are sensitive to the perception of Americans and go out of our way to be non-annoying Americans (well I don’t think we normally are anyway) and have had nothing but good experiences with service or getting along with locals. I think once in Paris we were ignored for service at a table and had to go complain but did so politely and the issue was resolved. We are all in the end ambassadors of our countries when we travel abroad, something I take very seriously.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      I’d agree with that. I’m rarely rude when I travel, I am rude only when justified.

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  26. eemusings

    To her credit, she wasn’t being sarcastic (it’s probably in the snarky way I retold the story, sorry!), just kind of haughty and utterly BEMUSED. On the other hand, after the ordering drama she turned to us and sniffily remarked that the staff didn’t seem to speak very good English. (IMO, if the local staff know enough to accept orders for items that *are* on the menu, that’s perfectly adequate and about as much as you can expect.)

    Some of the southern countries (Italy and Greece) tend to be pretty loud too. Public arguments are always fun to watch.

    The German students were generally baffled by why the Americans’ default volume was always loud, and in turn, the Americans generally baffled by the European ‘keep your head down’ mentality. Really interesting.

    T laughs at my butchered pronunciation, but I always try and use whatever local phrases I do know to start with, say, when in a shop – I think it beats asking ‘Do you speak English?’ right off the bat.

    That said, we’re definitely looking forward to the US and Canada. Europe has been great, but it’ll be nice to be somewhere with no language barriers.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      I think she was being snarky herself, you portrayed her quite well because I imagined her facial reactions to be haughty and bemused but also a bit hoity-toity.

      OH YES. Italy and Greece. I forgot about them being loud. Portuguese too.

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      Giulia

      @eemusings: Italy is a country composed of many cultural groups, northern Italians aren’t loud, I’m Italian ans I’m not loud. Please don’t generalize a country that is a mosaic of very different cultures.

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        Thank you Giulia.

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  27. Tammy R

    Hi Mochimac. I haven’t traveled enough to weigh in on the stereotypes. I do know that of all the students I’ve taught from many, many countries around the world, the quietest were the Japanese. They were also the students that wrote to me after they left my classroom – even when they moved back to Japan. One of them drew three pictures I have hanging in my office. They always get stares and compliments. She went quietly about her business and made things happen. I bet she’s graduated from high school by now and is kicking butt right now.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      Japanese students as a way of explaining their culture, think of themselves as a group not as individuals. They in school, are also taught to clean the classroom at the end of each day, greet teachers, etc. It’s fascinating to hear what their lives are like, and if you ever watch anime or read manga (like I do), I gleaned a LOT of how they lived from those mediums and adopted some, myself.

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  28. SarahN

    Americans’ learning another countries language seem to snap out of all these stereotypes, thankfully. Though, I’ve had French homeless men spit on the shopping centre floor and tell me that’s what he thinks of Americans (after hearing English). Imagine his shock when I replied in French that I wasn’t American or English (whom they also hate), but Australian. Not Austrian. He was SHOCKED and toddled off in silence.

    I work hard to be ‘quiet’ whilst I’m overseas, and when in doubt, I’m silent rather than noisy, a real ‘point at what I want’ style person, even in Germany where they are great with English!! Such a change in my character.

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    1. saverspender @ save. spend. splurge.

      HAH! GOOD ON YOU.

      I am someone who is aware of my volume level and sometimes BF gets loud after some wine, so I need to calm him down with shushing.

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